Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Shared Ancestor Hints are just that--Hints


I was extremely happy to get 14 new 4th cousins or closer matches on my AncestryDNA results overnight.  I wish people understood the importance of uploading to GEDmatch. Too many treat the circles or the DNA Hints as facts.  To them it is unnecessary to upload their raw data atDNA results to GEDmatch because Ancestry has told them the connection. Sure,  if you don't want to prove your research, go ahead and believe that!  Ancestry gives you hints and clues,  It is on you to investigate and research those.

I have the perfect example among my matches.  This match is kin to me on my Mom's side thru the Luna line at my 4th Great Grandparents.  She is not DNA kin to me or my Mother but she shows as DNA kin to my daughter and the Shared Ancestor Hint is my 4th Great Grandparents(my daughter's 5th Great Grandparents)  Clicking on the "i" shows that my daughter and this match have a shared estimated atDNA of 6.6 centiMorgans(cMs) shared across 1 DNA segment.


Ancestry has done a better job on their wording on the Shared Ancestor Hints than they did when they first appeared.  [If you want to learn more about hints & shared records watch Ancestry's Crista Cowan and her presentation, "Don't be a Searcher, be a Researcher" from RootsTech 2017.


What we should hear  "You have a 6th cousin through the Luna line of your maternal Grandmother with whom you share a 6.6 cM  portion of DNA across 1 segment.  It is possible that it may be through that Luna line. You need to investigate further"

Instead many people feel that they don't need to investigate further and take that info at face value whether it is through lack of understanding, laziness or just not really carrying to know the truth. I'm not talking about those that just tested to learn ethnicity and don't care to do more. I am fine with that.

Thankfully this match agreed to upload to GEDmatch.  Since both of my daughter's Paternal Grandparents have tested I was able to tell that the connection was through my daughter's Paternal Grandmother's lines.  I was also able to take it back a step further in finding where to look as my daughter's PGM's Mother(my daughter's Great Grandmother) had also tested.

The match amount at GEDmatch to:
Daughter:  11.3 cMs on 1 segment
Her  PGM:  12.4 cMs on 1 segment
Her PGM's Mom 12.6 cMs on 1 segment

I should also mention that while my Daughter tested at AncestryDNA, her PGM tested at 23&me and her Great Grandmother tested at FTDNA.  We can compare all of these test at GEDmatch.

I did run the One to One for this match against my results and my Moms and she didn't have any measurable DNA match with us.

Thursday, February 16, 2017

Apparently it's Large Colonial Segment Week

I had a large 54 centiMorgans DNA segment(or chunk)  in Mom's matches that showed up just under a week ago.  Upon examining others who matched Mom and each other along the same segment I was able to determine it was likely from the Luna/Looney lines. All those that matched Mom along that segment have Robert Looney and Elizabeth Llewellyn as their most recent common ancestors.  This is my Mom's 5th Gr Grandparents and back a good ways.  That put Mom matching 6th cousins and several 6th cousins once removed at an amount (54cMs) that typically is indicative of 3rd cousins.   I am thinking that this has something to do with this couple  being from the Isle of Man or colonial.

Last night I found that I had a new match that AncestryDNA estimated matched me at 50 cMs shared on one segment.  The match is going to be on my Paternal side as he didn't match my Mom's test.  Upon checking this match with my sister's test I found that he matched her even better.  I think they probably share the same 50 cMs segment but they also share 4 other segments which I didn't get and match at 101 cMs over 5 segments.  It is entirely possible that they share 5 different segments which doesn't include the 50 cM segment that he and I share.  Shared matches appear to be somewhere along our PGM's Jakes/Morrow/Harger/Frizzell  lines--all colonial.  I can't wait to hear back from this match and hope to get them to upload to GEDmatch so I can identify the segments in my sister's file and make note that I got segments from our  PGF along the 4 which I don't have in common with my sister.

PGF= Paternal Grandfather
PGM=Paternal Grandmother

Saturday, February 11, 2017

Andrew Jackson McElroy (1820-1900)


Looking through the ProQuest Historical Newspaper in search of some information on a Paternal great-uncle and had the urge to search for my 3rd Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson McElroy(from my Maternal lines).  I didn't have a source document for his death date.  I knew it was some time after the Ogle Co.'s Compendium of Biography which was published in 1898.  I also knew that he had written his will November 20th of 1896 and that the will was proved September 3rd of 1900 and recorded the next day in Van Buren Co TN Records.    The first item that came up in my query led me to the answer.

Death of A.J. M'Elroy  Prominent Citizen of White County Joins the Majority---Special Dispatch in The American
SPARTA, Tenn., Aug 21-  Andrew Jackson McElroy, one of the oldest and best known men of this section, died Sunday night at his home at Bone Cave in Van Buren County after confinement to his room for some time.  Col. McElroy was 86 years of age and until the past two or three years had regularly attended the courts here, where he enjoyed a fair practice.

He had ever taken a great interest in politics and was an ardent Democrat.  Besides holding several minor offices he represented this district in the State Senate from 1885-1887.  His character was spotless and he was admired by all who knew him.  The interment took place last evening at the family burying ground before a large attendance of relatives and friends.
(Source: "Death of A.J. M'Elroy -Prominent Citizen of White County Joins the Majority";.Special Dispatch in The American; The Nashville American(1894-1910); Aug 22, 1900; Digital Collection of ProQuest Historical Newspapers:  The Nashville Tennessean pg 8. )


I did a Google search and found a site that lets you check a date to see what day of the week it was on for a given year.  August 21, 1900 was a Tuesday which puts him dying on Sunday August 19, 1900.  Problem solved!


Andrew Jackson McElroy was likely born in April of 1820 as that is the age which he lists the most consistently in census records.  For the 1870 Census he is listed as a few years younger.  I just feel fortunate that he was listed at all.  Several of my other folks aren't listed in 1870.  The 1870 census is the first census after reconstruction and is notorious for inaccurate information some of which is possibly due to census takers from the north being using in many areas of the south.  See the Census Book for more information on this and other census records.   Below are a few of  Andrew J. McElroy's Census entries.

1830 White Co TN
Andrew McElroy
Males:
1 5-under 10
1 10-under 15  (Andrew J. age 10 )
1 40-under 50  
 Females:
1 under 5
1 5-under 10
1 13-under 20
1 30- under 40
(Source: 1830 White Co. Tennessee; Series: M19; Roll: 182; pg. 13; FHL Film: 0024540) 

1840 White Co TN
Andrew McElroy
 Males:
1 10 under 15
1 15 under 20
1 20-under 30 (Andrew J. age: 20)
1 40-under 50
1 50-under 60
Females:
1 10 under 15
2 15 under 20
1 40 under 50
(Source: 1840 White County, Tennessee; Roll: 536; pg. 19; FHL Film: 0024550)


1850 Van Buren Co. TN 1st Dist   pg. 367B  14/14
 A. J. McElroy 30 M Clk of Crt $5000 TN
Jane McElroy 24 F TN
Levina McElroy 4 F TN
Sarah McElroy 3 F TN
James K. P. McElroy 10/12 M TN  
(Source: 1850 Van Buren, County Tennessee, Dist 1 ;Roll: M432_897; pg. 367B)

1860 Van Buren Co. TN Spencer P.O. pg 21  273/273
A. J. McElroy 40 M Farmer $10,000 $1737 TN
Jane McElroy 32 F TN
Leviney McElroy 14 F TN
Sarah McElroy 13 F TN
J. K. P. McElroy 9 M TN
Martha McElroy 7 F TN
Eliza McElroy 5 F TN
A.J.M. McElroy 1 M TN
John O? 18 M common Laborer TN  
(Source: 1860; Van Buren, Tennessee Spencer P.O.; Roll: M653_1277; pg 21 FHL Film: 805277)


1870 Van Buren Co. TN Bone Cave 1st Civil Dist pg. 304a  15/15
A.J. McElroy 47 M W Lawyer
Martha McElroy 27 F W Keeping House
Levina McElroy 23 F W
Sarah McElroy 21 F W
Polk K McElroy 20 M W
Martha McElroy 18 F W
Eliza McElroy 15 F W
A. J. McElroy 11 M W
William McElroy 7 M W
Eveline Greer 9 F W
Elizabeth Greer 7 F W
William Greer 5 M W
Hiram C. Carter 62 M W Sadler
(Source: 1870 Van Buren County, Tennessee, Dist 1; Roll: M593_1567; Page: 304A; FHL Film: 553066)


1880 Van Buren, Tennessee Dist 1 Page 246D
A. J. McElroy Self M M W 68 TN Lawyer GA  GA
Martha McElroy Wife F M W 40 TN  Keeping House GA GA
Andrew J. McElroy Son M S W 21 TN  At Home TN  TN
Wm. McElroy Son M S W 19 TN At Home TN TN
Wm. Greer SSon M S W 16 TN  At Home TN  TN
E. Wallace Niece F S W 22 TN At Home TN TN
R. G. Waterhouse Other M S W 24 TN Minister Of Gospel  TN TN  
(Source: 1880 Van Buren County, Tennessee, Dist 1 ; Roll: 1283; FH L Film:1255283; pg: 246D; Enum Dist 127)


1900 Van Buren Co. TN Dist 1 Enum Dist 133  Page 3B  Sheet 3B  56/56
Andrew J McElroy Head W M Apr 1820 80 M 31 TN GA GA
Martha McElroy Wife W F Dec 1842 57 M 31 2 of 3 children living TN TN TN
Lizzie Zimmerman Aunt W F Nov 1854  45 wd 1 of 1 children living TN TN TN
Eva Zimmerman Cousin W F Aug 1888  11 S  Missouri Ohio TN  
(Source: 1900 Van Buren, County, Tennessee Dist 1 ; Roll: 1603; pg: 3B; Enum Dist: 0133; FHL film: 1241603)

ProQuest Civil War Era Collection


If you have family who fought in the Civil War, don't overlook the ProQuest Civil War Era Collection. One of the items in it that I noticed was in the Pamphlets on the Civil War, 1861-1865 collection and titled

Roll of honor (no. xvii), names of soldiers who died in defence of the American Union, interred in the national and public cemeteries in Kentucky, and at New Albany, Jeffersonville, and Madison, Indiana, Lawton, (Miller), and Andersonville, Georgia, (supplementary)

It is a rather large listing(516 pages) and is just one of the many items available to search within this collection. Check with your library and see if they have ProQuest available. Also remember that your public library isn't the only library available though it is one you should fully support. Colleges and Universities often times have great Family History Collections.

Sunday, February 05, 2017

Google Sheets for Collaborating and Visual Presentation of DNA Matches


When I am working with an adoptee or with any researcher to help them "see" their DNA matches and to get a handle on the amounts each one matches, possible relationships and groupings,  I've found that the Office Documents at Google are great.  I use the Spreadsheet for DNA matches.This is really just an adaptation of the technique I use when working with the information from my AncestryDNA Circles which I blogged about in my post from August 2016.  (Click below to get a better look--I have edited out the usernames and GEDmatch numbers to protect the privacy of those in the spreadsheet shown below )



I keep a template of this sheet and just make a copy when I need one to work with for another researcher.  You can adapt this to fit your needs but this is what works for me and seems to be the easiest to understand.  If you are working on your own matches you can start making the sheet...if not you will need to get the person to send you a share link to the DNA account with which you will be working.  If they don't know how to do that I have a blog post that I wrote about Sending a Share link to AncestryDNA test results.  Feel free to share that link with them if they need instructions on how to do that.  Also if they aren't at GEDmatch you might also want to refer them to the Upload to GEDmatch post.

1st Column =  Ancestry Matches User Name(or any username if you are adding those from another site)
2nd Column =  cM amount/  # of segments
3rd Column = Possible relationships--keeps you from having to constantly check chart)
There are many charts but I consult the ones at the shared cM project page.
4th Column = GEDmatch numbers--helps you to see who is already at GEDmatch and who it would benefit you the most to ask if they will consider uploading.
5th Column = Notes section--I put common surnames and notes on any patterns I see emerging in this section.
6th Column = ICW/Shared --you can use this section to color code groupings with the fill color feature if you want.  If you know the grandparent you could put PGF MGM etc. here.  You may not need this if you choose to color the entire rows for the groups.  I just have an alternating color applied here so I can read across the row without losing my place.  But coloring the entire row will work if you can to use a different color for each group of shared or ICW matches.

Once your spreadsheet is formatted to your liking, visit the DNA Insight page of the test you will be working with and click on See All Matches From the main match consult each match's page and click on the "i" to collect the amount of shared cMs for each matches you want to catalog.  Typically I only do this with an adoptee's matches that are 50+ cMs.  Also look at the shared matches and start filling in info if you notice any patterns of surnames.  Go ahead do this now while you are at their page.

Once you have the spreadsheet set up click on the SHARE button in the upper right and enter the email(s) of anyone who is going to be helping or observing and set their permissions.  They may view, comment or edit.

If you find this helpful, please share.  Also if you have ideas or comments I'd love to hear those as well.

Thursday, February 02, 2017

Inventory--AncestryDNA circles- reinforcement of the importance of uploading to GEDmatch

When I worked in Retail, February was our Inventory time so it felt like a good time to take inventory of my Ancestry DNA Circles.

Ancestry DNA Circle Inventory  57 Circles:
Maternal:  29
Paternal:  23
Non-Direct: 5(Shipman/McMurry, Acuff/Harmon/Pharris. Nathaniel Haynes)

Largest Membership is Mason Combs(maternal) circle containing 112 members
Yep! No Television back then and the Combs are known for testing.  I do think that some
of these are attributed to the wrong group and should be in a Riddle circle. If they
claim to descend thru Amelia "Milly" Combs who was thought to be a COMBS for many years.  Many people still have her as a Combs.  She was a Riddle

The next largest is that of Jabel Putman with 62 Members.

Honorable mentions
Paternal:  Ann Knox(39 members)
Paternal:  Mark Lambert Jackson(36 members)
Maternal:  James Hatfield(50 members)
Maternal:  Peter Luna/Looney (55 members)

My sister(full sibling) has 58 Circles  She loses two of the Non-Directs but gains 3 Non-Directs.  Felix Grundy Crick, Susan Frances Putman and Wade Henry Carlton.  These are from our Paternal Grandfather's side who is a descendant of Cook, King, Putman, Manire, Harris, Ogilvie, Jackson.

Mom has 33 circles 4 non-direct(Includes the one maternal sis & I share and 3 ones which come and go on mine)
2 of the Non-Directs on Mom's can be attributed to Double Cousins testing--Two Hitchcock siblings marrying two Fleming siblings.  The other two are Acuff/Campbell cousins

My daughter has 62 AncestryDNA circles
Maternal:  52
Paternal:  7
Non-Direct:  3

She has all 52 of my Circles.  I have done a good bit of research on her Paternal lines and she would probably have more circles but the majority of those families had  less children than most of mine did which may account for the lower amount of circles--less descendants available to test.  The Hogland and Demonia lines are the exception.

Also while all three of the Non-Directs she has are from my lines she has only one of them in common with me(the Acuff cousin)  The other are the Hitchcock/Fleming ones that my Mom has from the Double cousins.  I should also note that my daughter, my Mom and my sister all have New Ancestry Discoveries.  I have none at this time.  I have had several appear in the past but they didn't stay long.

To me this reinforces the importance of working your circles and asking if the members will upload to GEDmatch.


Saturday, January 28, 2017

1850 Bedford Co TN, USA -- Industrial and Manufacturers Census Schedules--Nicholas Anthony


Today I read some of the entries from the Industrial & Manufacturers Census Schedule for 1850 Bedford County Tennessee. The first listing is for a Nicholas Anthony--No known ties to my family but to me it is very interesting info that you can find in the non-population schedule that will lead you to other information.  His listing starts:  Nicholas Anthony  Mill(Flour)  Water powered with 1 saw.   As a researcher it makes me wonder who he interacted with on a daily weekly or monthly basis.   The entry also mentions what looks to be production of lumber or planks.  There is a Nicholas Anthony in the 1830 & 1840 Census of Bedford Co Tennessee.  It appears that the same Nicholas Anthony that is listed in 1830 and 1840 Census is also the one listed in 1850.  In 1850 he is 70 years old born in North Carolina with a female in the household age 67 and named Sarah whose place of birth is also listed as North Carolina.  Seventy seems kind of old to be running a mill but perhaps he is the owner and his son or sons run it for him. There is a North Carolina marriage for a Nicholas Anthony and an Elizabeth Nicholson with Jacob Anthony as bondsman in Guilford Co. NC on Oct 21, 1800.  I wonder if this is the same couple or if Sarah is a second wife. 1840 Census has Anthony families with Head of Households named Jacob, Henry, William and Adam living nearby. A Nicholas Anthony is also listed in the 1850 Agricultural Non-Population Census for District 25 of Bedford Co TN.   Also listed are Shofner, Low, Kimbro, Harrison and Landris families which are some of the same name who have been listed around him in previous census entries.  I checked the Land Deed Genealogy of Bedford Co TN 1807-1852 by Helen C Marsh and Timothy R. Marsh and there are two listings for Nicholas Anthony on page 78.  These entries are extracted information in the original Deed Book "M" pg. 105 and 107.  The entries TN Grants No. 9587 and No 9588 both 15 acres each and dated Feb. 23 1813.  Granted to Nicholas who is listed as an assignee of Benjamin McCullock.  The land is on the waters of the Thompson River and both areas are noted as bordering the property of Peter Shofner.  Are there any of your family listed in the Industrial & Manufacturers Census Schedule?
Below is the link to a blank form where you can see the column headings.  A lot easier to read the headings from the form than the ones on the images as they seem to be the worst part of the digitized images.
1850-1860 Industrial & Manufacturers Census Schedule--Blank Form(PDF Form)

To find out more information about what information is available on Non-Population census schedules see the National Archives .  A search of the catalogs at Ancestry and FamilySearch will tell you what is available in their database for your particular area of interest.  Ancestry.com is a subscription service but the library edition is available on-site at most public libraries.


Sources Consulted:

U.S., Selected Federal Census Non-Population Schedules, 1850-1880 [database on-line:http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1276]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Searched for Nicholas Anthony. Accessed January 28, 2017 Census Place: Bedford, Tennessee; Archive Collection Number: T1135; Roll: Roll 30; Schedule Type: Industry Image 3 of 173 Row 1  

U.S.,Selected Federal Census Non-Population Schedules, 1850-1880 [database on-line:  http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1276]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Searched For Nicholas Anthony. Accessed January 28, 2017 Census Place: 1850  Bedford, Tennessee; Archive Collection Number: T1135; Roll: Roll 1; Schedule Type: Agriculture pg 67  

1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8054]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Searched for Nicholas Anthony. Accessed January 28, 2017.  Year: 1850; Census Place: District 25, Bedford, Tennessee; Roll: M432_869; Page: 266B; Image: 531  Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.

1840 United States Federal Census [database on-line http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8057]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Searched for Nicholas Anthony. Accessed January 28, 2017.  Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Year: 1840; Census Place: Bedford, Tennessee; Roll: 519; Page: 98; Image: 209; Family History Library Film: 0024543 Original data: Sixth Census of the United States, 1840. (NARA microfilm publication M704, 580 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line  http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8058]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.  Searched for Nicholas Anthony. Accessed January 28, 2017. Images reproduced by FamilySearch 1830; Census Place: Bedford, Tennessee; Series: M19; Roll: 174; Page: 130; Family History Library Film: 0024532   Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

Marsh, Helen C., & Marsh, Timothy. R. (1988). Land deed genealogy of Bedford County, Tennessee. Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press.
pg. 78 (from original Land Deed Book "M" pg. 105 & 107)

North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011 [database on-linehttp://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=60548]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015. Searched on Nicholas Anthony. Accessed January 28, 2017.  Original data: North Carolina County Registers of Deeds. Microfilm. Record Group 048. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, NC.

Thursday, January 26, 2017

Map Collections

Today I spent some time looking at online map collections which contained the areas in which my ancestors lived.  These are just a few of the sites I visited.  If your interest lies in other areas, use your favorite search engine and ask for Historical Maps for that particular area.  You should get a nice list.


Wednesday, January 25, 2017

Another strategy for finding cousins who have atDNA tested at Ancestry.

For those that have taken the atDNA test at Ancestry.com and not gotten any Circles or maybe you have Circles but none for the ancestor you are wanting to research.  When you are viewing documents that are attached to your ancestor in others trees look at the right hand column when viewing the document or picture.  You will see the button that tells you who the doc or pic is linked to.  Other ancestors or persons in or mentioned in the picture may be linked.  Below that is a Saved By listing for other people who have saved that picture or document which should mean they are interested or related to the family in some way.



Click on any of the Users.  This should take you to their profile page.  From there you should be able to toggle thru any kits you admin and check against the profile.   You do this by clicking on the Hyperlinked word "your".   See the arrow pointing to it in the  image below(Edited for privacy).  This doesn't always work and I think it is due to settings for the other profile if they privacy settings pretty tight.




If any of the kits you admin match the main profile or any of the kit's for which that profile is the admin, those kits will show below the Main profile panel.  It is important to note that Absence of a match doesn't mean that they tested and do not match it.  It means there is no DNA available for that profile that matches yours. They may have tested and not match...or they may not have a test at all.  When you do find a match though you can then click on it to go the Match page and look at cM amounts,  projected relationship, tree, etc.




Tuesday, January 24, 2017

Working on Identifying larger segment matches

I have been mapping my DNA segments to specific contributing ancestors for a little over 2 years now.  It is something I really enjoy doing but at the same time it can be very frustrating.  When I first began I was the only one in my family who had tested.  A few months after getting my results I bought a test for my Mom who agreed to test.  This really helped when her results were in and uploaded with mine to GEDmatch as I was able to differentiate between matches which were on her side and those which were on my paternal side of the family.  GEDmatch has a tool that it extremely useful if you only have one parent who is able to test.  It allows you to use that parent's DNA to subtract the DNA they gave you leaving you with a Phased kit which containing just the DNA that the un-tested parent contributed.  Last year my sister tested and her results came in which gave me more date with which to work.  I couldn't have asked for better results.  While she is a full sister she and I match at 2513.7 cMs(not including the X amount) which is on the low end of full siblings meaning we received varying DNA from our parents.  I also created a phased kit of the DNA which she received from Dad and compared it to the phase kit of the DNA which I received.  It has given me a pretty good visual phasing though it's not perfect you can see the re-combinations.  I used this comparison to mark the segments where we were opposite and was able to narrow down some segments to PGM or PGF.

When I first got my results I was busily collecting my matches....I collected anything 5cMs and up.  I guess I thought I'd miss something if I didn't.  Sure I could have but now I am working with the larger segments and I wish I had done this in the first.   I use GenomeMate Pro to catalog my matches and keep track of the kits I manage.  Most of the time I have anything over 12 cM hidden when viewing the matches on each chromosome.   I thought it would be a good project to tackle some of the larger segments.   I wanted an easy way to see the larger matches across all of the chromosomes at the same time. Below is what I did using my paternal phased kit


  • Run a Matching Segment report set where it only includes 20+ cM segments
  • Paste the results into a spreadsheet
  • Format with headers to your preference 
  • Set the sorts so it will sort by Chromosome and then by starting point
  • Use the fill cell tool to group the ones which cover the same area
  • Add a column on the far right of your Spreadsheet.  This column will be used to identify whether the match or the match group is from the Paternal Grandfather or the Paternal Grandmother's lines.

 How my chromosome, starting and ending position and segment size groups look
minus any identifying info(GEDmatch #s email addresses cropped out of pic)

I did the same thing using the paternal phased for my sister.  Yesterday I printed the spreadsheets and put them in  sheet protectors in a binder.  Today I begin reviewing our largest unassigned segments.   Technology is great...but I really do better if I have a printed paper to look at while searching over a pedigree chart rather than flipping back and forth from the chart to an actual spreadsheet or program.  Just the way I'm wired I guess.  I'd love to hear what has worked for others 


This is how I have my outer column for now  I could do a reprint later as I identify
PGM or PGF lines....but for now I will edit the old fashion way
(remove from sheet protector use color pencil and pen to add info
replace in sheet protector)


Saturday, January 21, 2017

John Wright of Williamson Co TN --1809--Books in estate inventory of merchant

Book Inventory from the estate of a merchant
Once again while looking thru Probate Records of my Ogilvie line I have happened upon another file near it with a listing of book titles or types.  This listing was a store inventory list which was part of the estate of John Wright of Williamson Co. TN(1809).  I've copied the listing here and I'm sure there are spelling errors.  I did alphabetize the list.
  • Beauties Poetry
  • Bibles
  • Blank Books
  • Chapter Books
  • Church of England Prayer Books
  • Clarissa Harlowe
  • Dwight's Geography
  • Enticks Dictionary
  • Franklin's Works
  • French Revolution
  • Gandenetia De Lucca
  • Gibson's Surveying
  • Goldsmith's England
  • History of England
  • Hymn Book
  • Immortal Wester
  • Johnstone's Dictionary
  • Large Bible
  • Lord Rivers
  • Manson Spelling Book
  • Married Lady's Companions
  • Maury Primmers
  • New England Primmers
  • Reading Made Easy
  • Roman Catholic Prayer Books
  • School Master's Assistant
  • Scots Sessions
  • Small Hymn Book
  • Spelling Books
  • Stephen De Bourbon
  • Tale of Times
  • Testaments
  • Vendee War
  • Vision Columbus
  • Volumns of Charlotte
  • Washingtons Monuments
Ancestry.com. Tennessee, Divorce and Other Records, 1800-1965 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007.Williamson Co. Divorce, Probate and Other Records 1800-1899, Wo-Za Description Images 978, 979, 1000 & 1001 of 1833 Tennessee, Divorce and Other Records, 1800-1965

Original data: Tennessee. County records. Nashville, Tennessee: Tennessee State Library and Archives. Microfilm roll numbers 99 to 108, 115, 336 to 337, 428 to 431, 519, A-4098, A-5278, B-1 to B-9, B-44 to B-127, B-314, B-441 to B-445, B-471 to B-473, B-1607 to B-1613, and B-1781 to B-1789.

Monday, January 16, 2017

Those tricky DNA circles

I have began working thru the probate records of my Paternal Grandfather's Ogilvie and Harris lines which come together at my 5th Great Grandparents. My tree is at Ancestry where I have tested along with my sister and my Mom.  All of our DNA results are at GEDmatch as well.  As I work and look thru hints I like to check the profiles of others who have linked to or uploaded information.  When I visit their profile it also lets me check to see if there is a DNA match between me and that person.   I can also select other tests I admin to see if any of them match.  One of the good things about this is that if that person manages any other test and they match the test you have selected they will also appear beneath that profile, even if you don't match the profile but do have a match with one or more test which they admin.


Clicking on the word "your" lets you select other tests you admin to check against their profile

It's unclear to me when you don't find a match if it means they don't match you or if perhaps they haven't tested.  At this point I only give weight to the matches...and not any additional when they don't because I don't know if they have tested.

In this particular case my sister has the larger matches(17-20 cM segment) with both of these persons who tested and my Moderate match with the D.E. kit is only 6.6 cMs.  Ancestry has put us all in the Ann Knox circle together.  At this point there is not a Ogilvie or Harris Circle even though I do see descendants from at least 4 lines that descend from them working on trees.  Likely not enough of them have tested or the ones that have tested do not have DNA in common.  I contacted the main profile person and heard back from them within an hour(almost a record).  Now here is where it gets tricky.  The researcher has several tests at Ancestry(self, parent, sibling and maternal uncle) Along with the being included in the Ann Knox Circle for the testers profile, Shared Ancestor Hints for  Jacob Sutton and wife Ann Knox are shown as well as William Ogilvie and Mary Harris.   Since the Sutton/Knox and Ogilvie/Harris are on different sides of the main testers family we were able to determine that the match my sister has with  her is likely Ogilvie/Harris.  Looking at others who match at smaller amounts along the same segment and knowing the likely line, I have been able to find several others who appear to all have lineage back to this Ogilvie/Harris couple though I am still working on it.  To add too this.  The particular segment along which my sister(we are full siblings) matches is one which I and my sister do not have in common.  For that segment I have matches which come from our Paternal Grandmother's side of the family  This helps to know because it tells me if I match my PGM and my sister doesn't match me along that segment, that she got the only other segment that Dad could have given her....the one he got from his Dad, our PGF.

This is why it is important to look at the matching segments rather than rely on the DNA circles.  I cannot stress that enough.  I feel like the best approach to the DNA circles is to work them looking over the matches and trying to get as many as possible that match you at large amounts to GEDmatch where you can examine them more closely and prove or disprove each of the matches for that circle.